Thursday, April 24, 2008

Another Short Conversation

[10:43 PM] Steve J: what am I posting again? I'm arguing against the existence of humanoid creatures
[10:43 PM] Awesome McSuper-guy: i tried to post from the link to the Greene video down to when you said "u should"
[10:44 PM] Awesome McSuper-guy: and yea... humanoid aliens aren't that likely
[10:44 PM] Awesome McSuper-guy: if it was such a great form there'd be more than just one humanoid species on this planet already
[10:46 PM] Steve J: if there is an intelligent designer or designers maybe I could say humanoids but if not I feel like we would find straight up bacteria on other planets
[10:46 PM] Awesome McSuper-guy: yeah
[10:46 PM] Awesome McSuper-guy: man don't get me started on intelligent design...
[10:46 PM] Awesome McSuper-guy: but yeah
[10:46 PM] Steve J: oh okay let me try it...
[10:46 PM] Steve J: ahahah
[10:47 PM] Awesome McSuper-guy: there's no reason to think simple life is uncommon
[10:47 PM] Awesome McSuper-guy: there's plenty of reason to think humanoid life is uncommon
[10:47 PM] Steve J: I'll get u started...but im thinkin of intelligent design/designers in the judeo christian sense but yeah
[10:47 PM] Steve J: yeah I keep thinkin we are uncommon
[10:47 PM] Steve J: like mad species had to die before we came around
[10:47 PM] Awesome McSuper-guy: yep yep
[10:47 PM] Steve J: we are really really really rare....but not so rare that we were intelligently created
[10:47 PM] Steve J: in my opinion
[10:47 PM] Awesome McSuper-guy: -nod-
[10:48 PM] Awesome McSuper-guy: i don't buy ID for a whole mess of reasons
[10:49 PM] Awesome McSuper-guy: just off the top of my head, it leads to a regression (who designed the designer), it's got no real experimental proof (it's essentially an argument against evolution, not for an alternative explanation), and it doesn't even attempt to answer the most important question it raises (just claims that the identity of the designer is beyond the scope of the theory, when it really ought to be an integral part of the theory).
[10:50 PM] Awesome McSuper-guy: and then there's the mountain of evidence in favor of evolution...
[10:50 PM] Awesome McSuper-guy: ID's a "god of the gaps" argument repackaged and rebranded...
[10:51 PM] Steve J: yeah...I always think the intelligent designer was designed by someone himself
[10:51 PM] Awesome McSuper-guy: yeah
[10:51 PM] Awesome McSuper-guy: it's that infinite regression problem
[10:51 PM] Awesome McSuper-guy: either the designer was designed, as was the designer's designer and the designer's designer's designer ad infinitum
[10:52 PM] Awesome McSuper-guy: or somewhere along the line something evolved
[10:52 PM] Awesome McSuper-guy: in which case why couldn't we have evolved? much more parsimonious to think we evolved than to invoke some creative entity that evolved and then made us...
[10:52 PM] Awesome McSuper-guy: man this is another post-worthy convo
[10:52 PM] Awesome McSuper-guy: lol
[10:53 PM] Steve J: aahhah thats what Im thinking
[10:54 PM] Awesome McSuper-guy: so we got one on LHC and one on ID
[10:54 PM] Awesome McSuper-guy: this is quite a productive night!

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